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Joshua Horn's avatar

Wait, your article implies Daniel was pardoned for his pornography charges, but the pardon President Trump issued applies only to "offenses related to events that occurred at or near the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021."

Unless you have some pretty definitive evidence, it seems pretty clear that the pardon does not apply to those offenses. In this case your article is quite deceptive.

I would have hoped for better from you.

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PLawson85's avatar

If you Defend Insurrectionists. You are a Traitor. No questions asked.

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Thomas Mills's avatar

Until Trump came along, pardons were offered to people who had shown that their offense was the exception and that they were otherwise productive, well-behaved citizens. Why did he pardon somebody who is accused of child pornography?

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Joshua Horn's avatar

You know better than that. Blanket pardons are nothing new - Carter and the draft dodgers, Johnson and the Confederates. Even Biden commuted nearly all death penalties because he doesn't like the death penalty, not because of how reformed those murderers are. And you can add on all pardons that have gone out to friends, family and political allies of the Presidents (D & R) that have little to do with whether they are "productive, well-behaved citizens."

But that is all beside the point. You can argue this guy didn't deserve a pardon because of his other conduct, but that is not the argument you made in the article. You worded the article intentionally to make it sound like Trump pardoned him on his pornography charges, when that isn't true. If it wasn't intentional, go ahead and correct it.

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Doug's avatar

Horn, as a former cop, I find your remarks shallow and lacking empathy. While other presidents have issued blanket pardons, none have shown such a complete disregard for justice as Trump's pardon. You imply these pardons were justified because the individuals involved were Trump supporters trying to save their country and were unfairly prosecuted. However, this perspective overlooks the profound consequences of their actions: one police officer died from a stroke linked to an attack with a caustic chemical, and four officers died by suicide afterward. Additionally, the riot resulted in assaults on at least 174 officers. One of the most severe cases involved DC Police Officer Michael Fanone, who was beaten so badly that he suffered a heart attack and a traumatic brain injury. Other officers were hit on the head with metal pipes, and some were stabbed with metal fence stakes. The FBI released videos showing some of the most egregious attacks, including officers being pulled by their gas masks and beaten with sticks or pipes. Officers suffered cracked ribs, smashed spinal discs, and other serious injuries.

Tom is pointing out the type of person who chose to involve themselves in this act of insurrection. They were not patriots, but psychopaths who saw an opportunity to injure and vandalize. It was a fun day, a chance to stick it to the man. Don't cloud the facts with this nonsense.

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Joshua Horn's avatar

I implied nothing of the kind. I didn't comment to defend the pardon, I commented because I suspected Thomas was intentionally deceiving his readers about what crimes were pardoned, which he had confirmed in this thread.

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Thomas Mills's avatar

For better or worse, I'm going to start playing by Republican rules. You know, "Haitian immigrants are eating people's pets."

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Doug's avatar

Another claim was that the January 6th rioters were actually Antifa members posing as Trump supporters. How would one even disguise themselves as a Trump supporter? Just throw on a Trump baseball cap and attack a police officer with a flagpole? If anyone buys that story, I've got a historic bridge in New York to sell them at a bargain price.

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